JOY IS NOW: THESE THREE THINGS WITH EMILY MCDOWELL

Hi Friends and welcome to JOY IS NOW! The podcast where we take a psychologically minded look at life. I’m your host Lisa Anderson Shaffer, coach, consultant, and resident psych enthusiast.

I am excited to host for a THESE THREE THINGS discussion, Portland based creative mastermind and Senior Vice President of the brands Em & Friends and Knock Knock, cofounder of the nonprofit The Long Table, coauthor of the bookThere Is No Good Card for This: What to Say and Do When Life is Scary, Awful, and Unfair to People You Love, and fellow psych enthusiast, EMILY MCDOWELL.

We talk the different between self punishment and service, lessons from failure, and the gift of quitting. 

Listen in, it's a good one!

Thank you so much for being here.

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